You have seen those special people- the ones with a sparkle in their eye, that certain magnetism.  They walk into a room, and it lights up.  

They seem healthy in mind and body.  The inner journey to become that type of person is the new definition of the phrase, "GET LIT."

 If you're curious to discover how to bring out your inner light, then tune into this week's episode as I talk with Dr. Lisa Koche on bringing back your inner light.

Dr. Lisa Koche is triple-boarded in Internal Medicine, Bariatrics, and Anti-Aging and Regenerative Medicine. Her goal is to help you escape stress, overcome exhaustion, access more energy, and make way for a happier, more LIT you. She is also the author of the book, “GET LIT—Simple Answers to Overcome Exhaustion, Escape Stress, Harness Limitless Energy, and Ignite Your Inner Athlete”

Her own experience with childhood leukemia led her journey to focus on the cause of medical issues, rather than treating the symptoms.Now, she is the Medical Director of Spectra Wellness Solutions, a comprehensive clinic focusing on all aspects needed for total body healing. She has built a team of gifted healers that work together to create individualized treatment plans. 

She has also created several signature programs for optimal performance, including the Ignite program featured in her first book, GET LIT. 

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Transcript

Amanda Testa (00:02):

Welcome. Hello everyone and welcome to the Find Your Feminine Fire podcast. I am thrilled today for my guest and let me just ask you this question. Have you ever seen those people, the ones that tend to walk into the room and they have a sparkle, this certain magnetism about them and they really light up a room? They are super healthy in their mind and their body. This inner journey to become that type of person is the new definition of the phrase "get lit". And if you're curious to discover how to bring out your own inner light, then tune into this week's episode as I talk with Dr. Lisa Koche and we are going to dive into all kinds of good stuff today. Dr. Lisa is triple board certified in internal medicine, bariatrics and anti-aging and regenerative medicine. And her goal is to help you escape stress, overcome exhaustion, access more energy, and make way for a happier, more lit you. And she has an amazing book called Get Lit. So we're going to dive in to all the ways that you can get lit. So welcome so much Dr. Lisa. Thank you for being here today.

Lisa Koche (01:21):

Thank you so much for having me. I've been really excited to connect.

Amanda Testa (01:24):

Yes, and I, you know, I do love your story and I always feel like it's such a beautiful way to begin with just sharing a little bit more about you and what led you to be so passionate about this work.

Lisa Koche (01:34):

So I was put on my path at a very young age. The universe had big plans and did not want me going off of that road per se. So I was diagnosed with leukemia at the age of 15. I actually felt fine, went for camp physical and they found all these abnormalities and that led to three years of chemo all through high school, which was pretty crazy. And you know, going to school with a wig and leaving to go get chemo. And going back to school and I hung in there knowing that there was a higher purpose even at that young age. So when I went off to college, unfortunately my very first time ever having a pap smear, because I had waited till I was 20, since I was sick in high school with other things, they found a mass on my ovary and it was, the cancer had hidden out there and I had to go emergently back for more chemo.

Lisa Koche (02:22):

Which promptly led me to heart failure because the dose was getting really close to like the max dose you could have. So I was about to start my junior year in college, ended up in New York city at Sloan Kettering and having treatment there still knew there was a higher purpose. Somehow managed to graduate on time, know that I wanted to go into medicine, thought I wanted to prevent cancer, found out pretty quickly. I didn't want it. Well, sorry, I thought I wanted to treat cancer, but then I found out pretty quickly I wanted to do the exact opposite of that, which was prevent anyone from ever having to go through what I had been through. And at the time I was lucky enough to rebound with my heart pretty quickly, but my uncle was a podiatrist and at the time there wasn't a lot of supplements.

Lisa Koche (03:02):

Supplements weren't that big. And he did a bunch of research and kept sending me the two of the biggest supplements for heart failure, coenzyme Q 10 and L-carnitine. And they would just come in the mail on auto ship. And so I took them and my heart recovered and I went into medicine. I went into internal medicine because the first few days that I was studying, I would just say why? And I kept asking why. Just like I had asked when I first was diagnosed and nobody had any answers. So we would learn you know, here's a disease state and this is how we treat it. And I would say, why? Like, why did that person get sick and why is that person fine? And they would say, this is just how we do it. This is just how we do it. So for me, that wasn't enough.

Lisa Koche (03:44):

And I opened my own practice trying to prevent cardiovascular disease. I started working with a lot of geriatric patients and they would go through things like gastric bypass or more aggressive weight loss methods and things weren't working or with the gastric bypass it would work, but then their hormones and their thyroid and everything was off. And along with my own personal journey, which popped up again with Hashimoto's and psoriasis and sinus problems after pregnancy, which was a miracle, I could even have kids, I kept diving deeper. So I brought in other healers and it's really a beautiful journey where each time something would flare, it would be time for me to add a new modality or a new approach to my ever-growing practice, which was, is a primary care practice that focuses on prevention and holistic and integrative medicine.

Amanda Testa (04:32):

I love that. And first of all, congratulations on your resilience and all the ways that you've overcome a lot of very challenging situations.

Amanda Testa (04:43):

Yeah. And I appreciate that. And it, you know, it's, it continued. So I would love to just say really fast for your listeners, whatever they're going through. I think the universe gifts us with these opportunities to step into our power and to find who we are and learn how to navigate so that we can share and teach and help the world when we get onto the other side of that. Yeah.

Amanda Testa (05:06):

And I think it's so powerful and key how you have this multifaceted approach. And I also really love how you kind of combine empowerment and transformation with the science that goes along with that. So I'd love if you'd share a little bit about that, if you don't mind.

Lisa Koche (05:23):

Yeah. So, you know what's so fascinating is when I started this journey, and again, the clinic really has grown out of my own journey to find health. So I was so focused on the physical stuff after so many different years of chemo and the heart failure and all this, all these drugs. And I knew I had leaky gut and chronic fatigue viruses and all of these things that needed to be repaired. And I, you know, I brought in this naturopath who did muscle testing and we filled in the gaps, but with my patients and with me, I found that there was still, we couldn't get them all the way. It was like, yes, you're feeling better but we're still missing something. And the big empowerment wake up call for me came, well, I started playing with energy healing, which we can talk about in a minute, about 10 years ago, but approximately two and a half years ago, I had already really tapped into my own inauthenticity if we can say where I was just people pleasing and fixing everybody else.

Lisa Koche (06:16):

And I didn't, I knew it was a problem, but I didn't realize how bad it was. So I was making changes and meditating and getting some therapy and trying to like figure out again who I was and which I think so many women especially, you know, when we're, when we have careers and when we're moms and, and we're just trained in this culture to fix it like we can. So why wouldn't we? I ended up couldn't walk on the beach, and my heart it, was the first time that it had given out other than pregnancies, and I was in the hospital and the heart transplant doctor was standing in the room. It was that bad. So this was only less than three years ago. And at that moment I knew this level of severity with my own health was something that the world needed to learn.

Lisa Koche (07:00):

And it was that you can't live in a healthy body when you're being inauthentic and not speaking and connected to your true self. And, and my passion has been over these past last two and a half years to really pull this empowerment piece into my practice and bring it to the world. Because when I look at a patient now, instead of going immediately through their history and all the different medical issues they've had, I'm really targeting the traumas and trying to figure out what they learned from them and how they can share and bring it, bring it to the next level. So that's kind of the long answer as to how I have become more and more impressed because I've completely healed my heart. I was able to get out of the hospital. They did have to put a device in my chest, but this device is kind of like a pacemaker, only fixed me about, let's say quarter of the way I now am running, I'm going to be hiking Machu Picchu am I can do, you know, training two or three times a week with a trainer. And I've done this, yes, with a bunch of amazing things. We'll talk about that, our physical, mitochondrial healing nutritionally. But the biggest piece has been me letting go of the fear of being able to just say what needs to be said instead of just saying what I think I'm supposed to say.

Amanda Testa (08:15):

That's huge. I think that many women struggle with that,

Amanda Testa (08:20):

I think we all do. Yeah. So that's powerful. And you know, I'm curious too with regards to your own journey and what led you to bring more of the energy healing in. I'm just curious about that.

Lisa Koche (08:35):

Absolutely. I was brought up pretty traditional. I mean my family wasn't against integrative and, but when you have a kid with leukemia, you're going to do, you know, more additional medicine. So we were never exposed. I wasn't one of the, you know, the babies that was able to like have one of those moms that just did the peace pipe or whatever. I'm, we're pretty traditional. And so I had never experimented. I had never done, you know, I didn't, wasn't necessarily into crystals. I didn't know. And it was probably about 10 years ago, the university called me because they had a local person who had channeled how to build this device that is a bed that's color, music and vibration. And he's a, he's an electrical engineer, so he wasn't a medical guy, but he teamed up with this other person who was very much a proponent for healing type one diabetes.

Lisa Koche (09:28):

And they downloaded this machine. They started putting people in it and they were healing a lot of autoimmune problems, chronic pain, sleep issues. And so they went to the university, which is a huge public university here, university of South Florida, and said, we need clinical trials because we're doing incredible things but nobody is falling for, you know how this box of color, music and light is, is going to fix them. And so the university said it sounds really fascinating but it's a little too out there still for us. And this bed is definitely, it was definitely about 20 years out of its time because we're not even quite into it's time now. And this was 10 years ago and they said go call Lisa cause they know I have the credentials, you know, but I am into all of the outside the box stuff. So I was intrigued so, we brought it in, we had to take a wall down.

Lisa Koche (10:17):

And the first time I ever got in it, it had been a good 20 years since I had had any chemo and I was in this machine. And it closes in and you're, it's beautiful inside. It's almost just like having a massage, but you're just able to lay and sleep and you're between wake and sleep in a meditative state. And I didn't even know how to meditate at that point. And the guy who built the machine, when he opened the door after the hour treatment started gagging, it was, it smelled like a medicine shop. And it really like made me stop and think I D I've done all this work to detoxify, heal my gut, work on my mitochondria. Like, you know, I've really been working on my body for so long, but if you don't tap into the fact that we have a physical body, but we also have an energy body, this energy field holds on to every trauma, every toxin, every thought pattern.

Lisa Koche (11:09):

So me being in there and finally accessing the energy field at such a strong high level was able to clear the stuff that had been stuck there. So that was sort of the first eye-opener. And then I started grabbing every kind of book I could get my hands on vibrational medicine, just trying to understand what else is going on that we don't really, you know, we don't have the science, it's still not there. It's one of my goals to be able to continue to make the connection, which I believe to be more on a mitochondrial level, which we can talk about the mitochondria too, and how this ties back into the empowerment piece because the energy system is what's more sensitive to our thoughts and our actions then than our physical per se. Yeah.

Amanda Testa (11:54):

And with that, I'm curious, you know, how, tell us more about how the science piece that you, what you've discovered, like the kind of backs that up, which I think is very interesting because this is one of the things one of my teachers often says is it's very curious how so much of these ancient practices and wisdom from thousands and thousands of year, years ago that, you know, mystics and people have passed this information down and now science is starting to, you know, back up a lot of those ancient teachings. So I love how you say, you know, trying to connect the dots because we're not yet there, but the experience is there. There's just, there's sometimes just not necessarily the exact solution. It's a little bit of, you know, trust and faith in that way too. But I'd love to hear more too from you just about kind of the science aspect. Backing that up if you don't mind.

Lisa Koche (12:40):

Yes, yes. And I think, you know, I really have been one to always kind of trust my intuition and gut and go with it. And I have a healer, there's a couple of healers and this is not directly science so I will give you some of the science as well, but some more of the intuitive end support for what I have seen clinically is something called kinesiology or muscle testing. There is a healer who I was feeling really bad still and I knew all the traditional medicine. My thyroid was acting up. I had done functional medicine and and I was still really tired even though my labs and my scans and everything looked good even though a lot of my functional medicine testing look good. And my friend said she went to Arizona to a clinic. She was not getting better and they said, you guys have a guru in Clearwater, which is really close by here.

Lisa Koche (13:24):

So I went to see him- again, trust, not science. And he did this muscle testing and the first thing he said to me when we were done is, my God, you must feel like you know what? I like terrible. And I just started to cry because here I am, this physician that's helping everybody. And I didn't know how else to help myself. I just knew I didn't feel good. So he found things like the chronic fatigue viruses and leaky gut and bacteria and yeast and all kinds of things that didn't show up in other ways. So what I started doing that was my own sort of science proven with him was over the years we became, we were sending people so many back and forth and collaborating so well that he ended up coming into my clinic and joining me. So he's done this for 40 years at this point.

Lisa Koche (14:08):

And what I would do is I wouldn't tell him, you know, sometimes we would do like the stool kits and the muscle testing and he wouldn't know we'd done the stool kit and it would correlate almost every single time if he would have ideas on how to help the thyroid convert better. Like there's something called T four to T three conversion, which has to do with how you process medications, but also how your body handles your thyroid. And I would say, well I don't know what's blocking this particular person. And he would say, well let's, let's muscle test it, I'll get you this enzyme and we'll test it and then we would fix people in their labs would get better. So it's more of a clinical, not quite as scientific support, but through the years of watching people who had been stuck, you know, continue to heal.

Lisa Koche (14:48):

I wasn't asking as many questions anymore. More recently as we are looking for the science because I'm always trying to find the evidence based information or actually prove it myself, which is what I think my role is now on this earth is to help tie the science. The mitochondria kept popping up. So for your listeners, most people learn about mitochondria in biology class and they know it is the powerhouse of the cell and that it makes energy. A lot of people remember that. Some people don't. But anyway, when you go through the level of training that I've been in of, you know, really good medical school, a really good residency program, being in primary care practice for a long time, doing functional medicine, going back and getting a fellowship. Nobody other than the high school biology teacher talked about the mitochondria and everyone is tired.

Lisa Koche (15:38):

So probably over about the past, I'd say five to seven years, there's been more information slowly coming out on like paying attention to these energy forming engines and maybe they are where the answers lie. So some of the science that really pulled me in was on the ketogenic diet and this was back before it was hopping. So I was looking up how to heal my heart with, because when you have chemo, you get mitochondrial damage to the heart. But the truth is mitochondria aging is what causes all disease. So it's not something that's isolated to someone with as extreme of a history as I had all of your listeners, if they're tired, if they're having brain fog, if they've had issues with fertility, if they've had any kind of gut issues, this can be tied back to the mitochondria cause it's in every cell. So it's the engine that allows the cells to do the work they need to function appropriately.

Lisa Koche (16:32):

And when you take a step back, the history of the mitochondria is fascinating because millions of years ago, mitochondria, we're actually their own bacteria. And this is something I didn't know that I found super fascinating. So when you think about that and somehow you know, the power of the creator that made us figured out a way that we hijack these guys and put them inside ourselves so that they could make the energy. It makes sense that this is going to be a big part of where the science meets the spiritual. Because if you have a bacteria that was fully functional, so it has its own DNA, it was responsive to light, it was responsive to sound potentially. So it's, it's more sensitive than, you know, some, a lot of the other organelles and cells in our body. So when we start looking at the mitochondria and studying it deeper, which now the science and this is why you're seeing all the red light therapies and a lot of newer kind of what we're calling biohacks, things that help get your body healthier coming out to the market because we're finally paying attention to the structure and function of the mitochondria.

Amanda Testa (17:32):

I love that explanation. Thank you so much because yeah, I think for the most of us we probably haven't thought about mitochondria since, you know, ninth grade or whenever that was. It was ninth grade. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that. You know what, I'm curious, what are the types of things that really support us help our mitochondria? No, like what things can we do to help support that in our own bodies? I'm curious,

Amanda Testa (17:55):

The one super easy, like one of my favorite things is that when you study, and this is a funny throwback. So my daughter was studying in ninth grade biology and asked me to quiz her and I was already kind of in, she's a junior now, so this was a couple of years ago. So I was already into mitochondrial medicine and I knew that probably the biology teacher had more to know than I did. You know, we're starting to learn this again. So I said, you know, she, at first she said, will you quiz me? And I said, please don't be history. Please don't be history. And she said, no, it's biology and it's actually the mitochondria. And I said, let's go. Let's go. I'm ready. So we sit down, she gives me this packet and the first line, 10 pages are about the plant.

Lisa Koche (18:35):

So I'm like, really? We're studying a leaf? You know, she looks at me, she goes, mom, the plants chloroplast looks exactly the same as the mitochondria. And I sat there from it and I was like, Whoa, that's weird. Right? But I just kind of like sat with it. I didn't know what to make of it at the time. And I went in onto quiz her about chloroplasts and mitochondria. And then probably six months later I was driving and listening to a podcast. And the person being interviewed is a fairly controversial guy, but he's brilliant named Jack Kruse. I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's all about mitochondrial medicine and he was like screaming, people wake up the chloroplasts and the mitochondria look exactly the same. Do you not understand? There's a connection there. And it was, he was talking about how we need sunlight in our eyes, which is super fascinating and how most of the diseases of modern man didn't even start until the light bulb and we, you know, we became inside dwellers.

Lisa Koche (19:36):

So what we're going back to in the easiest hack that I've found for your listeners, which is free and easy, is to get outside the rays that are most helpful are the ones before about 10:00 AM. And I know it's cold where you are now, but if you, when it gets warmer, especially if you can also put your feet in the earth because grounding can help ourselves energetically as well. And then if your listeners wear contacts or glasses, ideally you want to do it when you're able to not have your contacts in because some of the pathways that are triggered by the sun come through the eye, which is something I did not realize, but this is this. Dr. Jack Kruse is a neurosurgeon. He's done a lot of research on the fact that the blue and fluorescent light all of us are exposed to at this point, you know, is is toxic to our mitochondria and to ourselves.

Lisa Koche (20:26):

Whereas especially at this early morning light, we're very deficient in so 10 minutes of grounding with the sun in your eyes and I like to multitask. I get my patients to knock it all out. I go ahead and have them turn on a guided meditation off of YouTube, which is my favorite because you can mix it up. It doesn't have to be an app and I can give you a couple of names of people that I really like to listen to myself and you just breathe and hydrate and ground and let the sun in and that like almost like charging. If you picture your feet are plugging into the earth and then you're getting the charge from the sun, it's like you're charging your cells for the day.

Amanda Testa (21:01):

I mean that's so powerful in so many ways because of all the ones you just mentioned, but also from a nervous system perspective that those resourcing tools like that being in the sun, feeling connected to the earth, you know, breathing just help you have that resource to stay in your window of tolerance, so to speak throughout the day so you're not as, you know, have a less of a tendency to spiral up or down. You know, you can have a lot more presence. I love that. Yeah.

Lisa Koche (21:28):

Yeah, the presence. And the other thing I really like about it is you're doing something for yourself. So actually all of us listening here, you know, being that people pleasing tendency energetically, we're all in a give and receive cycle and most of us are not balanced in that cycle. So this is a way to receive that doesn't cost money, that doesn't take a lot of time. And it's kind of filling that side of the equation before you go out to give some more. I love that.

Amanda Testa (21:57):

And I was just thinking like what are some creative ways to do that when you're already maybe taking your kids to school, maybe you park a little farther and walk and you know, all the things that don't take that much time, but just having that intention,

Lisa Koche (22:08):

And if people are taking their kids to school, I'll tell them or if they have to be at work really early, depending on what it is it can, it doesn't have to be that early morning. If they can get, whenever they can get the 10 minutes to read and preferably ground and let the sun in, it's going to be helpful. So sometimes also driving home at the end of the day if people are working and then they are about to jump into the insanity of all the kids stuff in the evening. Nobody notices if it's about like eight minutes later. So I'll tell you no. Where is that spot where you can just put push, pause, turn on the breathing, turn on the meditation and just let yourself be, you know, very, very helpful in healing.

Amanda Testa (22:46):

I love that and those are very doable things. I'm curious if there's anything else that you would recommend to really help?

Lisa Koche (22:53):

So a couple things in my book there, I did create something called the LIT scale, it's a fun way to tell where people are in their self thought, their thought patterns, their self care and their relationships. And I put associated affirmations that people could say every morning to kind of help them go up the scale since that's what we all want to do. But you don't have to use the book, you can use the concept of, you know, potentially just a positive affirmation of you know, my body is happy and healthy in all ways I have amazing relationships. All the money I need and joy in my life. Something, you know, simple. And just saying that and feeling the energy of it is, is incredibly helpful. So the other hack that is almost free that I love is soaking in Epsom salt. And there's a lot of, there's still not a ton of evidence based science, but we know the magnesium and the salt will help detoxify the body.

Lisa Koche (23:49):

There also seems to be a clearing energetically that occurs with Epsom. So I tell patients to get in ideally like the kids' size bath cause you could get it a lot more concentrated. It doesn't need to be a huge soaking tub. And what I've started to do, even if it's kind of crazy in the morning, is while it's filling up, I can get a bunch of stuff done and then instead of showering, if you can soak for about again about eight minutes, eight to 10 minutes while listening or turn on a diffuser with some essential oil and then rinse. You had your shower and you've actually again kind of cleared and received and had that reset button. So you need two to three pounds. So decent amount of Epsom in the tub. And, and that has been hugely helpful for me, especially if you're listeners on the path of really stepping up, which I think they probably are. They found you the Ascension journey of, you know, letting go of all these old patterns that don't serve us and speaking truth and all of that. You need help clearing and the salt does that nature does that. So the, the baths are really helpful.

Amanda Testa (24:55):

Mmm. Yes. That reminds me too of one of my other favorite hobbies when I have the time is I'm going to a float tank. And I just think cause that too, it's the Epson salt and then you are kind of in a sensory deprivation mode.

Lisa Koche (25:08):

Absolutely. And the floats are, the floats are really cool but you don't, people don't have to feel like they have to get there because you can create your own in the tub. Like, you know, turn the lights out, put on an essential oil diffuser and turn on some music or the guided meditation. You can kind of get to a similar place and do it on a more regular basis, which is awesome.

Amanda Testa (25:28):

And I love how you say you only really need to do eight to 10 minutes. Yeah, yeah. Did you say three pounds of Epson salt in that bath? Yeah. That's way more than I would have known to use So I love that.

Lisa Koche (25:39):

Yeah. And when you buy it, make sure you get the plain ones because people think about like the dr teal or whatever the brands are and they actually have perfumes and other chemicals. It's not essential oil. I tell patients make sure to buy just the plain. Yeah. And then I, you know, another thing I did is I've created some drops made from, with light frequencies and I'm working on being able to try to show the science behind how they're activating the mitochondria and having patients say the affirmation when they put the drops under their tongue, which has been seeing some pretty cool benefits from that because we don't, you know, the power of intention and thought at the mitochondrial level is something that I think we are really going to be able to prove at some point in the next few years. Yeah.

Amanda Testa (26:25):

And I just find all this. So it's just like fascinating to me. I love this and I am so grateful for you to share this wisdom because I do believe, you know, we have to have our feminine fire comes from, you know, we have to have that help physically and mentally and spiritually and emotionally. And you know, I, I feel like this work that you're, is so powerful and can you tell us if there's any maybe you know, last words you'd like to share or something that you really want to make sure that listeners walk away with today?

Lisa Koche (26:52):

Absolutely. I think if I can heal my body from leukemia and a potential heart transplant that anybody that's listening can go to the next level and it doesn't have to be overwhelming. It's, that's probably the biggest thing I've found in my 20 years of practice with my patients is, you know, it's like you're gerbil on a wheel and the gerbil, can, can run really fast and kick some butt, but the gerbil needs to be in control. If outside forces, whether it's your health or your spouse or your kids or your job, if that's what's spinning the wheel, the jgerbil is in a free fall and to regain control of the wheel. It can be as simple as putting your feet in the earth and taking five minutes to breathe. You know that that's, that's probably what I want to do is meet people where ever they are so that everyone who is listening can just make some small change to regain that control.

Amanda Testa (27:48):

Thank you so much dr Lisa for sharing all your wisdom and where is the best place for for people to find you.

Lisa Koche (27:56):

So you can find me on Facebook and Instagram. Lisa on Saff Koche Facebook and @drlisakoche on Instagram. My book is on Amazon Get Lit, It has lots of simple tools. It's an easy 45 minute read gods into a lot of body, body, mind and fuel plans for people. And my website is spectrawellness.com and drlisakoche.com

Amanda Testa (28:17):

Okay. And I'll make sure to put all that information into the show notes as well so everyone can make sure to connect with you. And thank you so much again for being here. It's been such an honor to talk with you. [inaudible]

Lisa Koche (28:29):

Thank you. Thank you for having me an honor for me as well.

Amanda Testa (28:32):

Yeah, and for all of you listening, thank you so much for tuning in and we will see you next week. Thank you so much for listening to the Find Your Feminine Fire podcast. This is your host, Amanda Testa. And if you have felt a calling while listening to this podcast to take this work to a deeper level, this is your golden invitation. I invite you to reach out. You can contact me at amandatesta.com/activate. You can have a heart to heart to discuss more about how this work can transform your life. You can also join us on Facebook in the Find Your Feminine Fire group. And if you've enjoyed this podcast, please share with your friends, go to iTunes and give me a five star rating and a raving review so I can connect with other amazing listeners like yourself. Thank you so much for being a part of the community.